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Bandsaw Blades Frequently Asked Questions


Stephen Cook

 

Handy Bandsaw Blade Information

Here at Cooks Saw MFG., we often sell over
500 bandsaw blades a day.

With this much volume we probably have heard
every question in the questions and our experiences
with you.

1. Ordering blades - When ordering bandsaw blades for the first time we often ask several questions to do our best to make sure that you get blades that will make your mill the most productive. Once you have ordered blades one time we keep this information on file and all you have to do is tell us that you want the same blades you received last time.

We will often ask the brand of your sawmill - We do this to help confirm that the length and width is what is normal with your brand of mill. Also concerning the brand of blade we are often asked which blade we sell the most and which is the best.

We think the blade that is best for your sawmill ultimately will be determined by you. We carry Simonds, Lenox, and Munkforsager blades. We plan to have our own blade by the fall.

Simonds is the largest seller for us and then Lenox and Munkforsager sell about the same behind Simonds. We hear a lot of different comments about blades. Sometimes a customer will say I want this blade or that blade and will never use the other blade. You can be very passionate about what you prefer.

It is funny that we can hear that about every blade that we sell. Just last week we had a customer tell us that a certain blade that we no longer carry was the best blade he had ever used. I have one or two other customers tell me the same thing. At the time I didn't tell them that we discontinued the blade because most of the people who used it had complaints.

This goes to show a few things: price, type of wood, and feelings about a blade all affect whether a person likes a certain blade or not. We are not like many companies that we run into that will not give you a suggestion. We have an opinion and will opinion and will make a suggestion but ultimately we want and know that you are the final judge of what works best for you in your situation.

Once you have decided whatyou like best we are glad to supply it. There is one blade that the Cooks would like to officially introduce and suggest that you give a try is our new Presharp blade. As most of you know a sharpened blade will run better than a new blade out of the box.

There may be several reasons for this: between handling the stock at the factory and welding the blade and boxing, some of the teeth of the blade may get pulled, pushed and bumped into something that will do a small amount of damage to the teeth. This is most often not even noticeable.

The teeth "feel" sharp but in fact there is a small amount of dullness that is already there. Also, more likely why you see a big difference in sharpened verses new is that the teeth are set after being milled or ground at the factory. What this does is to cause the tooth geometry to actually be the reverse of what is best. When you sharpen, you get any dullness out.

Of course, you also change the face angle on the tooth. It becomes a flat face angle when before it had negative face angle. With the Presharp bandsaw blades (for very little more money per blade) you can know that the blade is perfectly sharp and we will actually give the blade a positive face angle. This will make the blade cut longer with greater speed. You will find it is more than worth every penny extra they cost.

As always you will be the one who decides if these blades work best in your situation and we want to please you.

2. What is the length of your blade? To measure: Put the bandsaw blade on the floor and make a mark at the weld. Then roll the blade till the weld goes all the way around and stops on the floor again and make a mark there. Then measure from one mark to the other. This will give you an accurate measurement of your blade. Trying to measure the blade by holding a tape and pulling it around the blade is almost always wrong by 1 or 2 inches.

We will ask the exact length and then how much tightening ability you have when you tighten (tension) the blade. This is important so that we can get the blades the right length and have the tooth spacing correct at the weld. The only time that a blade can actually be the exact length is if you plan to run it once and then throw it away.

If you want to sharpen the blade, the tooth spacing must be correct at the weld. That means on a 7/8 tooth blade the overall length of the blade will be anywhere from exact to 7/8 short if we index back. It can be as much as 7/8 long if we index forward. The reason this is necessary is because the tooth will hardly ever land just right so the spacing will be correct at the weld.

In addition to this when we weld the blade it is shortened about 1/4 inch. All this has to be taken into account so that the tooth spacing will be correct when you get your new blades so that the blades will tension up properly. Once we have established what is right for you we will make a note of it in our computer system so that on your next order all you have to do is say give me blades like I got last time. We work hard to give you the right blade for your mill every time. These questions help assure that they are correct the first time.

3. Another question that we have found to be very important is: Which way does your mill turn? This is a question that may seem odd without knowing the reason why. So here is the reason: We have found that nearly all blades have a curvature (hump) in them from the manufacturing process. We have found if a bandsaw blade is not completely flat it will not cut accurately. Even .001 to .002 can give you problems. If the curve is bad enough you can’t even hold it with your bandsaw blade roller guide or a bottom control guide.

Since no blade is completely flat we will run it through a flattening process. We have also found that because of anti-clastic curvature (bending the opposite way on the tooth and back edge from the direction that it bends around the band wheel) that we are better to make the blade with a slight curve so the blade will stay up or against your roller guides.

As the blade continually goes around the band it is a natural occurrence that it will begin to take on the anti-clastic curvature. Again, the curve will be opposite of what you normally think (anti-clastic). Instead of being in the direction of the band wheel you will see that the tooth edge and back edge actually curve away from the wheel. You can really see this by taking any band and bending it in a fairly tight circle and laying a straight edge on it. By narrowly overcompensating for the curvature we can actually cause the blade to run longer.

After a few sharpenings the body of the bandsaw blade will again begin to take on an anti-clastic curvature. As the blade begins to come to the end of its life it will have taken on enough of a curvature that it will not continue to run without being flattened again. Because of this it really becomes important to know which way your blade turns. 90% of all the blades that we weld are correct for standard mills.

But there are a few that turn in the opposite direction. If your sawmill turns in the opposite direction and we don't know it, when we do our flattening process we may actually place the curvature in the opposite direction from which you need it to be, so it is important that we get this information correct.

4. The last question that I will deal with in this article is tooth spacing and blade width. Which is best? The answer with saw blades as in so many other things is it depends. I will give you general guidelines here that work for most people. The most poplar tooth spacings are 1/2, 3/4, and 7/8. The 1/2 is used specifically in resawing pallet boards. We find that the 3/4 spacing in the 1-1/4 wide blade works even better in most pallet resawing operations. There is more metal in the blade so it will stay in the cut and lasts longer for resharpenings.

For sawing logs we find that 7/8 tooth spacing is preferred far more than any other tooth spacing. We use it ourselves on both hardwood and softwood. This is accepted throughout the industry. There are exceptions where some people saw only softwood and they prefer 3/4.

The idea is that the softer wood needs more teeth per inch so that it won't dig in so much. With more teeth in the cut each tooth is getting a little smaller bite of wood so that it doesn't over stress the gullet of each tooth. In harder wood the wider spacing allows each tooth to try to get more of a bite since the wood itself will keep it from digging in too deep. Again these are just basic principles and we leave the final decision up to you. We give our opinion based on our experience but leave room that your specific application.

Band width is fairly simple. As I stated above the more metal in the blade the better it will stay in the cut up to a point. What we usually say is if you just saw occasionally use the 1-1/4. If you saw regularly or need to go as fast as possible when you are sawing then use the 1-1/2. The wider the blade the more correct everything has to be on your mill. This is because of the curvature that we spoke about above. The wider the blade the more the blade seems to take on the curvature.

It is worth the little extra effort but you will need to keep your roller guides in excellent shape and keep them adjusted. Also because the blade thickness is the same in most of the blades bear in mind that the teeth will be dull at the same time as the teeth on the 1-1/4. But because of more width (beam strength) the blade will stay in the cut even after the 1-1/4 will be dull and dipping in the cut.

This is nice for the 1-1/2 but I believe that if you continue to saw with what is essentially a dull blade (even though it is not diving) you will experience premature blade breakage. What is best is to establish a point at which the blade becomes dull and stop 30 minutes before that time and sharpen it them. You will saw faster which means more production and your blade will last longer which means more profits. And that is what the game is about.

There are many other things that could be said but these guidelines should be helpful. Our hope by giving you this information is that we can help you help us when taking your blade orders so we insure that you are always getting the best running blade for your particular application. We want to serve you the best we know how and help you make more profits.

So let's get out there and make some more sawdust.


Co-Owner CooksSaw.com
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